Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
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The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg linus@nordberg.se wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Marcin de Kaminski" marcin@dekaminski.se Till: Kopia: listan@lists.dfri.se Rubrik: [DFRI-listan] TPP, IPR-kapitlet Datum: ons, nov 13, 2013 21:34
Stockholmstips: http://www.ui.se/evenemang/the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnershi...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg linus@nordberg.se wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
"...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas." Inte personligt riktat och god information men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas? Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 21:57, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com mailto:erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Marcin de Kaminski" <marcin@dekaminski.se mailto:marcin@dekaminski.se> Till: Kopia: <listan@lists.dfri.se mailto:listan@lists.dfri.se> Rubrik: [DFRI-listan] TPP, IPR-kapitlet Datum: ons, nov 13, 2013 21:34
Stockholmstips: http://www.ui.se/evenemang/the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnershi...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se mailto:linus@nordberg.se> wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
Det är förstås helt fritt att ignorera det mail jag precis skickat ut. Ursäkta om jag klivit på några ömma tår.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 22:12 , 19x20 19x20@resurface.se wrote:
"...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas." Inte personligt riktat och god information men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas? Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 21:57, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com mailto:erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Marcin de Kaminski" <marcin@dekaminski.se mailto:marcin@dekaminski.se> Till: Kopia: <listan@lists.dfri.se mailto:listan@lists.dfri.se> Rubrik: [DFRI-listan] TPP, IPR-kapitlet Datum: ons, nov 13, 2013 21:34
Stockholmstips: http://www.ui.se/evenemang/the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnershi...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se mailto:linus@nordberg.se> wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
En tolkningsfråga antar jag, inga av mina tår ömmar såvitt jag vet och jag tror bestämt att jag skrev: "Inte personligt riktat och god information..."
Tack för informationen och hur diskussionerna slutar lär jag få reda på av byråkraterna som vill mitt bästa.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 22:18, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Det är förstås helt fritt att ignorera det mail jag precis skickat ut. Ursäkta om jag klivit på några ömma tår.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 22:12 , 19x20 19x20@resurface.se wrote:
"...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas." Inte personligt riktat och god information men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas? Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 21:57, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com mailto:erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Marcin de Kaminski" <marcin@dekaminski.se mailto:marcin@dekaminski.se> Till: Kopia: <listan@lists.dfri.se mailto:listan@lists.dfri.se> Rubrik: [DFRI-listan] TPP, IPR-kapitlet Datum: ons, nov 13, 2013 21:34
Stockholmstips: http://www.ui.se/evenemang/the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnershi...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se mailto:linus@nordberg.se> wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
Jag menar att det finns ett demokratiskt underskott. /j0nas
On 2013-11-13 22:24, 19x20 wrote:
En tolkningsfråga antar jag, inga av mina tår ömmar såvitt jag vet och jag tror bestämt att jag skrev: "Inte personligt riktat och god information..."
Tack för informationen och hur diskussionerna slutar lär jag få reda på av byråkraterna som vill mitt bästa.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 22:18, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Det är förstås helt fritt att ignorera det mail jag precis skickat ut. Ursäkta om jag klivit på några ömma tår.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 22:12 , 19x20 19x20@resurface.se wrote:
"...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas." Inte personligt riktat och god information men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas? Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 21:57, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com mailto:erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Marcin de Kaminski" <marcin@dekaminski.se mailto:marcin@dekaminski.se> Till: Kopia: <listan@lists.dfri.se mailto:listan@lists.dfri.se> Rubrik: [DFRI-listan] TPP, IPR-kapitlet Datum: ons, nov 13, 2013 21:34
Stockholmstips: http://www.ui.se/evenemang/the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnershi...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se mailto:linus@nordberg.se> wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
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Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
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On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 22:12 +0100, 19x20 wrote:
"...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas." Inte personligt riktat och god information men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas? Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
Eller så kan de lika gärna gå längre bort, så de tappar ännu mer relevans med verkligheten? Gärna på en annan planet, där det hör hemma.
Det bästa som kan ske för oss är att så mycket som möjligt läcker ut, så att startsidorna i ett antal miljarder användares webbrowsers har iaf en teoretisk möjlighet att, likt under SOPA/PIPA i USA, uppmana befolkningen att göra sig hörda till de som tror de beslutar för allas väl (under påverkan av 600+ lobbyister från rättighetsinnehavare, med mera).
Så läcka dokument är det absolut bästa som kan ske.
För när nya ekonomins företag, Google, Facebook mfl, och telcos, får se att man tror sig kunna göra carriers kriminellt ansvariga för den trafik som skickas på deras nätverk, utan att det får konsekvenser, så har man inte förstått vad för makt dessa bolag har. [ https://wikileaks.org/tpp/#QQI1 ] Eller tja, vissa har ju förstått det, för man tyckte ju efter SOPA/PIPA drevs sönder att det var olagligt och odemokratiskt att befolkningen hörde av sig med åsikter om vad f***n de höll på med... :)
Utan access till dokumenten är det svårt att montera ett effektivt försvar. Och dessa spelare är nog vår bästa chans, tror jag.
/M
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 21:57, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com mailto:erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
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The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se mailto:linus@nordberg.se> wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
Oj, är du helt säker på att du svarade "rätt" person?
Kan inte läsa mig till att ngn av påståendena nedan är några som jag sagt mig tro på eller talat för de senaste timmarna men jag tror på det ÖPPNA samtalet...
Jag tror bestämt att jag skrev: "...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.'Inte personligt riktat och god information' men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas?" Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
De som besluten gäller avser majoriteten eller förut kallar folket.
...så mycket som möjligt läcker ut...
Av vad?
Så läcka dokument är det absolut bästa som kan ske.
Vad?
Utan access till dokumenten är det svårt att montera ett effektivt
försvar. Och dessa spelare är nog vår bästa chans, tror jag. Jag hoppas att du har rätt där min DFRI-vän.
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 22:37, Martin Millnert wrote:
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 22:12 +0100, 19x20 wrote:
"...i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas." Inte personligt riktat och god information men är det för att se på där de eventuella "besluten" fattas? Det verkar som om "besluten" som fattas behöver närma sig de som "besluten" gäller.
Eller så kan de lika gärna gå längre bort, så de tappar ännu mer relevans med verkligheten? Gärna på en annan planet, där det hör hemma.
Det bästa som kan ske för oss är att så mycket som möjligt läcker ut, så att startsidorna i ett antal miljarder användares webbrowsers har iaf en teoretisk möjlighet att, likt under SOPA/PIPA i USA, uppmana befolkningen att göra sig hörda till de som tror de beslutar för allas väl (under påverkan av 600+ lobbyister från rättighetsinnehavare, med mera).
Så läcka dokument är det absolut bästa som kan ske.
För när nya ekonomins företag, Google, Facebook mfl, och telcos, får se att man tror sig kunna göra carriers kriminellt ansvariga för den trafik som skickas på deras nätverk, utan att det får konsekvenser, så har man inte förstått vad för makt dessa bolag har. [ https://wikileaks.org/tpp/#QQI1 ] Eller tja, vissa har ju förstått det, för man tyckte ju efter SOPA/PIPA drevs sönder att det var olagligt och odemokratiskt att befolkningen hörde av sig med åsikter om vad f***n de höll på med... :)
Utan access till dokumenten är det svårt att montera ett effektivt försvar. Och dessa spelare är nog vår bästa chans, tror jag.
/M
/j0nas
On 2013-11-13 21:57, Marcin de Kaminski wrote:
Jag tänkte mig det som ett tips om man är intresserad av hur diskussionerna går i de rum där det här eventuellt beslutas.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:56 , Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com mailto:erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Kan du utveckla vad du menar med "tips"?
Är ditt tips att folk ska gå dit och demonstrera? Dela ut flygblad?
Om det är det så kanske du kan tipsa om vad det ska stå på banderollerna och vad som ska stå i flygbladen?
//Erik
Erik Josefsson BE GSM: +32484082063 SE GSM: +46707696567
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Marcin de Kaminski" <marcin@dekaminski.se mailto:marcin@dekaminski.se> Till: Kopia: <listan@lists.dfri.se mailto:listan@lists.dfri.se> Rubrik: [DFRI-listan] TPP, IPR-kapitlet Datum: ons, nov 13, 2013 21:34
Stockholmstips: http://www.ui.se/evenemang/the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnershi...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Negotiations
2013-11-21
The Swedish Institute of International Affairs (UI), in collaboration with the US Embassy in Stockholm and the National Board of Trade, invite you to a seminar on the new US-EU trade and investment partnership agreement currently being negotiated. How are the negotiations proceeding, what are the big challenges - and what is this new partnership really about?
In the coming weeks, the United States and the European Union will hold the second round of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations. The overall ambition of these negotiations is to reduce most of the trade barriers across the Atlantic, open services, spur innovation, and align and lift regulatory standards. If the partnership becomes a reality it could have great impact on the United States as well as the European Union’s economies. At the same time, there are many challenges ahead and there are also those who are concerned about the consequences for trade globally of such an agreement.
The seminar will look at what this partnership would mean and why it is important for the EU and the US. How does the EU negotiate and what is the room for manoeuvre for the US delegation? What are the most difficult topics? Has the government shutdown in the US impacted on the process?
Speakers:
András Simonyi, Ambassador and Managing Director of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Washington.
Anna Folkesson, Trade Policy Adviser, Department for Trade Agreements and Technical Rules at the National Board of Trade.
Magnus Rydén, Department for International Trade Policy at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
Date: Thursday November 21, 2013 Time: 16.00-17.30. Registration and coffee from 15.30. Location: The Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Drottning Kristinas väg 37, Stockholm. Registration: http://www.ui.positionett.se/tillfalle.php?id=1138 Seminar fee: Free of charge Language: English
The discussion will be moderated by Jan Joel Andersson, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the North America Program at UI.
The seminar is part of a seminar series on the new Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
Welcome!
Join the debate! Share your thoughts on Twitter using #uievent.
Please note that all events at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs may be recorded, filmed or photographed by the Institute's staff and published on our websites.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:01 , Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se mailto:linus@nordberg.se> wrote:
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.
-- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
-- Marcin de Kaminski PhDc Sociology of Law, University of Lund Lund University Internet Institute, Cybernorms Research Group Personal homepage - www.dekaminski.se http://www.dekaminski.se
Phone#: +46-(0)768-045151
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