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Tack Emil! Tack Emil!! Tack Emil!!!
by Erik Josefsson 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

The joint AFET/DEVE meeting shortlisted the following three nominees for the 2013 Sakharov Prize: - Ales Bialatski, Eduard Lobau and Mykola Statkevich on behalf of all Belarusian political prisoners - Edward Snowden - Malala Yousafzai A vote for the shortlist of three finalists will be held in the three Committees on 30 September 2013. The Conference of Presidents will announce the winner/s of the 2013 Sakharov Prize on 10 October 2013. //Erik

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Några åsikter om Epic?
by Hanna Larsson 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

Några åsikter om den här browsern? "Using Chromium, an open source browser project that provides the underpinnings for Google’s Chrome, the Epic browser features protections meant to keep out snooping governments, as well as private companies looking to make a buck off your data. And, unlike some of the more complex privacy tools that already exist, part of Epic’s express mission (so its developers say) is to make privacy accessible for plebeians." http://www.fastcoexist.com/3018133/a-browser-to-keep-the-nsa-from-snooping-…

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Sakharovpriset och Snowden
by Emil Tullstedt 27 Sep '13

27 Sep '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hej! Jag har nu skickat ut mail till EU-parlamentariker om att Snowden borde få Sakharovpriset :) On the twittermachines now! mvh Emil engelskt mail: Best MEPs, In 1968, the soviet dissident and physicist Andrei Sakharov[1] shared details about the soviet hydrogen bomb project and the dangers the project implied for humanity to the public. His acts were not only awarded with the Nobel Peace Prize, but your precessors in the European Parliament decided to constitute a prize for the freedom of thought in his honor[2]. This year one man have distinguished in the very way of the Sakharov prize by choosing to share details about the USA:s systematic abuse of their imperial powers to massurvey citizens of the world. The whistleblower Edward Snowden shared information that has put his very freedom to the edge, choosing between a conditional freedom in Putin's Russia or a certain life in prison in the USA. He has, in many ways, become a dissident just like Sakharov were before him. Even though many people walking on this earth have done theirs to ensure our freedom of though is being preserved, Edward Snowden is one of our times most important whistleblower who selfishlessly stood up for fundamental human rights by blowing the whistle on the NSA PRISM. The swedish organization for digital freedoms and rights :DFRI would encourage you to vote for Snowden for the short-list for the Sakharov-prize on this monday[3][4] in order to honor his contribution to aid fundamental human rights and basic democratic principles. Thank you! svensk version: Hej EU-parlamentariker! 1968 avslöjade sovjetdissidenten Andrei Sakharov[1] detaljer om Sovjets vätebombsprogram och hotet det innebar för mänskligheten, en handling som, tillsammans med hans kommande engagemang för mänskliga rättigheter innebar att Sakharov inte bara belönades med Nobels fredspris, utan också inspirerade era föregångare i parlamentet att instifta ett pris för att hedra den fria tanken[2]. I år har en person mer än någon annan blivit en symbol för att USA under flera år har systematiskt valt att massövervaka och åsiktsregistrerat världsmedborgare - NSA-whistleblowern Edward Snowden har under sommaren avslöjat detaljer om massövervakning som inte bara har varit bevis på stort mod, utan också i Sakharov-anda, gjort honom till något som kan liknas till dissident. Det är många som förtjänar att få Sakharovpriset för den fria tanken, men Edward Snowdens uppoffring av sin egen trygghet för att osjälviskt dela med sig av hur en av vår tids viktigaste regimer har visat brist på respekt för människors grundläggande rättigheter. Vi i :DFRI ber dig därför nu på måndag, 30 september, se till att placera Edward Snowden på listan för kandidater till Sakharovprisets kortlista[3] för att hedra hans insats för mänskliga fri- och rättigheter och för demokratins bevarande, inte bara i USA utan även i EU och övriga delar av världen. Tack! [1]: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1975/sakharov-bio.ht… [2]: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/00f3dd2249/Sakharov-Prize-… [3]: http://mjuk.is/sakharov.pdf [4]: http://www.article19.org/join-the-debate.php/111/view/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSRY0QAAoJEJB62PK7utKzTxcP/jvQcD9TIgVVnsBXm4bTuglg o6rym1uoYJ+Gw0OXhgNcV+S7Je2uRbcpECdXLUcs0YCDrLtFTL3WHCqnHHBzm2Ul gdsvpCK7ej3rsumJ52tyHZiY1HvS3SuG+5ix+Z4uDzZzwkkV2o9+cuYZRttFXwKK 0qkKx+JBC45nS16wxtWSkoL/7IjpvL5eowP2lZLgpwwxilbTYmneodc3X2R5+/Xg XPsZmD61BrLgu6oTV4AhBLJkD1u6K8StWOjmGPnSiQxaQQrtLKWem+/+8HOp5NPv mZsLf7JLDrzAGT+YWQpMGVi5d8isHYkaWjYgOkfvNsXMyCcWzsyQRq5imaebEFng CYXGyR4nMPGeRMl5FLLLd1aGrJPqohiZ2wyOrP5eT2zqbFmEf0foO1uplnX0O8YP HeYrqnwIUKOA4oEb8VnTqvyfxQR2wl9Jx2VfQ3J5K2k6mRSqXWURiMgD8JfANmbN 7B2vm4DJdwBETcotNHV64RF63E/pIxs8kqFKaSKdPqDsDsk3bzHwliZ6yMhH/Uuc a+DJGlQbz5JeeXzr80qqgCroR76HU6TmPN/xvl0xa12eRcSNqCmUB8XwLK6U/S2G oMr0xMHLLlZtdKjNj8jttKRd50HE3ngTaL46BPP6nE+dHM4TtUGQtfCmCjnSSYwB F+CjPitLZVfEYFh48F6t =Wvqe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- DFRI-listan Ã¤r Ã¶ppen fÃ¶r alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras Ã¶ppet pÃ¥ internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri

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Twittra loss på Snowden-Sakharov i helgen!
by Erik Josefsson 27 Sep '13

27 Sep '13

Här är länken: http://www.article19.org/join-the-debate.php/111/view/ //Erik From Sakharov to Snowden: Why Edward Snowden should receive the 2013 Sakharov Prize BarboraBukovska 26 Sep 2013 <http://www.article19.org/join-the-debate.php/111/view/#debateComments> *Next week (30 September) members of the European Parliament will decide who will be awarded the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/00f3dd2249/Sakharov-Prize-…>. The winner will be chosen by members of three committees (AFET, DEVE and DROI) and announced by Conference of Presidents on 10 October 2013. The Prize has honoured the efforts of individuals and organisations who defend human rights and freedom of expression annually since 1988. * *Edward Snowden, the former US National Security Agency (NSA) contractor and whistleblower, is among the nominees for the Prize. * While all of this year's nominees are deserving of global recognition for their admirable and courageous action to highlight and defend human rights, it is Snowden's exposure of a massive and unaccountable state sponsored surveillance programme that most closely captures the enduring legacy of the man that the prize is named after. The 1975 Nobel Peace Prize winner Andrei Sakharov. Sakharov was a Russian physicist who rejected the USSR's nuclear programme; he shunned his own work in a secret research laboratory to become an outspoken opponent and critic of the oppressive reach of the Kremlin. Even in exile, Sakharov continued to raise his voice, denouncing social injustice and advocating the benefits of democracy. It is fair to say that Sakharov was a security state insider, working on the powerful weapons that could affect all humanity. Snowden too was a security state insider, working on powerful weapons enabling the interception of the electronic communications. Through his revelations, Snowden voiced objection to the vast scale of secret state surveillance of millions of people around the world, including foreign presidents <http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/03/world/americas/brazil-angered-over-report…> and companies <http://g1.globo.com/fantastico/noticia/2013/09/petrobras-foi-espionada-pelo…>. The revelations revealed how democratically elected U.S. senators <http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-clapper-snowden-disclosures-…> had lied. These revelations have released information that is on of strong public concern, including previously classified judgments from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court articulating alarm about governmental conduct <http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/785205-pub-march-2-2009-order-from-f…>. Over thirty years on from Sakharov's exile, Snowden's actions reflect that he is the true inheritor of the Sakharov legacy. Like Sakharov, Snowden decided to defect and stand for the values of society at large against the secretive interests of state machinery. Like Sakharov, Snowden finds himself an outcast, living in asylum and hounded as a result. In divulging classified information, Snowden has greatly jeopardised both his professional and personal livelihood. Beyond displaying great courage, Snowden instigated and much needed and long overdue discussion and debate about the preservation of democratic ideals and the limits of permissible government interference with human rights in a world where national security has been used increasingly to justify the erosion of fundamental freedoms. Snowden's action has showed that blanket mass-surveillance practices are not limited to 'communist states' and 'dictators.' Many members of the European Parliament who grew up within a communist state will surely remember the effect such surveillance -- the purpose of which was nothing more than to control behaviour and dictate the conduct of everyday life. One study of the EU Data Retention Directive poignantly observed that "under pervasive surveillance, individuals are inclined to make choices that conform to mainstream expectations." The Members of the European Parliament must make sure that human rights violations exposed by Snowden are addressed; surveillance must be constrained to cases when justified under international law. They also must make sure that governments remain accountable and transparent in an age where unprecedented technological advances allow for increased ability for subterfuge. By the same token, Members of the European Parliament should also recognise the individual who has exposed these violations; a man who has fought for human rights protection and for the traditions and liberties that the Prize embodies. *Edward Snowden must be the recipient of the 2013 Sakharov Prize.*

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torhallonkräm
by Erik Josefsson 26 Sep '13

26 Sep '13

Ehh... är det alltså en massa små tor-hallon som är uppe och puttrar? Vill haaaa.... Nickname Bandwidth Uptime Country IP Flags ORPort DirPort DFRI0 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/DD8BD7307017407FCC36F8D04A688F74A0774…> 21.07 MB/s 9d 21h [Sweden] 171.25.193.20 [Exit] [Fast] [Guard] [Named] [Running] [V2Dir] [Valid] 443 80 DFRI00support <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/36F516ED877E6F67A39EE8BFD0F73B2033A1F…> 171.01 KB/s 2h 11m [Netherlands] 31.204.153.189 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 9001 0 DFRI1 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/A10C4F666D27364036B562823E5830BC448E0…> 3.15 MB/s 11d 12h [Sweden] 171.25.193.21 [Exit] [Fast] [Named] [Running] [Stable] [V2Dir] [Valid] 443 80 DFRI2 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/75EEE757E2941ADA4CBF89BAFA21B218F795B…> 16.05 MB/s 11d 18h [Sweden] 171.25.193.131 [Exit] [Fast] [Named] [Running] [Stable] [V2Dir] [Valid] 443 80 DFRI3 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/4BAF6B9AA7D00BB142D611CFE897CB4FBE294…> 10.83 MB/s 11d 16h [Sweden] 171.25.193.235 [Exit] [Fast] [Guard] [Named] [Running] [Stable] [V2Dir] [Valid] 11443 1180 DFRIfriendlyPi <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/83EBAECFF076735D6E17F8D7FD762B1B8C314…> 204.8 KB/s 2d 17h [Sweden] 83.255.60.115 [Fast] [Guard] [Named] [Running] [Stable] [Valid] 993 0 DFRIpi005 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/B937A046114788D4C0E874C601DEE2FB6AD26…> 91.14 KB/s 2d 17h [Sweden] 83.255.60.115 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 443 0 DFRIpi006 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/5A67231A7800C8198BDD6C62D0067A559913B…> 111.62 KB/s 1d 21h [Sweden] 46.59.18.226 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 443 0 DFRIpi013 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/1C0398B9204C0B249A3933E66072D9FF49298…> 111.62 KB/s 1d 21h [Sweden] 46.59.28.26 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 443 0 DFRIpi014 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/1D9E0D9766B003670D5640EDBE98E901A3C49…> 106.5 KB/s 19h 39m [Sweden] 85.229.19.221 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 443 0 DFRIpi016 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/A0E88DD278D6F1C7E32D3A3C233BD19DCB6D7…> 106.5 KB/s 1d 55m [Sweden] 109.228.148.123 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 443 0 DFRIpi021 <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/D545829567E7773415055C53A22212D49CC4D…> 105.47 KB/s 2d 15h [Sweden] 80.216.21.75 [Fast] [Running] [Valid] 443 0 ElofTor01DFRIraspPi <https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/EB16005E4CC524CE1C977DF483657B6A54A42…> 571.08 KB/s 6d 12h [Sweden] 90.225.80.219 [Fast] [Named] [Running] [Stable] [V2Dir] [Valid] 9001 9030

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Fwd: FW: Renewed request for one ACTA document --- Ref. Gestdem 2013/4775
by Andreas Jonsson 25 Sep '13

25 Sep '13

Sagan fortsätter! /andreas -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FW: Renewed request for one ACTA document --- Ref. Gestdem 2013/4775 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:34:48 +0000 From: <Sg-Acc-Doc(a)ec.europa.eu> To: <andreas(a)romab.com> Dear Sir, Thank you for your email dated 15/09/2013. We hereby acknowledge receipt of your application for access to documents, which was registered on 25/09/2013 under reference number GestDem 2013/4775. In accordance with Regulation (EC) No 1049/2001 regarding public access to European Parliament, Council and Commission documents, your application will be handled within 15 working days. The time limit will expire on 16/10/2013. In case this time limit needs to be extended, you will be informed in due course. Yours faithfully, Carlos Remis SG.B.5. Transparence. Berl. 05/329. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Jonsson [mailto:andreas@romab.com] Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:23 PM To: BARROSO Jose Manuel (CAB-BARROSO) Cc: DFRI-listan Subject: Renewed request for one ACTA document Dear President Barroso, In the light of Case C-506/08 P (p. 81-82)[0], the Court's email to DFRI 14 August 2013[1] and the provisions of Regulation 1049/2001[2] which require your staff to assist us on how applications for access to documents can be made (6.4), to clarify our application would it not be sufficiently precise (6.2), and to exercise our rights (1.14) we hereby ask you to make the document we have been asking for[3] available to the public and send it to us without further delay, if necessary by asking the Court for permission to do so. Would you be of the opinion that you are prohibited from asking the Court for permission, please state your reasons in detail. Please note that the provisions of Regulation 1049/2001 referred to above does not exclude that citizens are informed about that the President of the Commission may ask the Court to make documents public which do not fall within the scope of Regulation 1049/2001. Please also note that your staff has referred extensively to the content of this document in a press conference almost one year ago[4] and that your staff has described the content of the document in detail in the email DFRI received 19 June 2013 [5]. With best regards, Andreas Jonsson DFRI - Föreningen för digitala fri och rättigheter https://dfri.se/index.en [0] http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=107935&pageI… [1] https://www.dfri.se/wiki/ep-acta-docs/ECJ-response-2013-08-14.txt [2] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/register/pdf/r1049_en.pdf [3] https://www.dfri.se/wiki/ep-acta-docs/mail-acta-docs-barroso.txt [4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCBTFh3IhQY [5] https://www.dfri.se/wiki/ep-acta-docs/EC-response-2013-06-19.txt -- DFRI-listan Ã¤r Ã¶ppen fÃ¶r alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras Ã¶ppet pÃ¥ internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri

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IT i EP
by Erik Josefsson 25 Sep '13

25 Sep '13

Nu behöver jag hjälp igen! @Erik Lönroth, kan du be att få ut den här studien? (skriv, som vanligt, med listan i cc) "The IT department has, fourth, analysed two competing document standards, Open Document Format and Office OpenXML, assisting the Groupe de Travail de Bureautique Interinstitutionnel (EU working group on interinstitutional office tools). "*This study* testifies to the difficulty of choosing one of these formats even though both are ISO standardised and to the importance of requirements, the existing documentary heritage and the systems in place when it comes to making a decision." https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/european-parliament-it-foll… @Alexander Rydekull, kan du skriva nåt om att AT4AM inte funkar (eller att det funkar) att köra på på en fristående server (samma artikel)? "The XML format is used in the EP's AT4AM, software for authoring and management of amendments on parliamentary texts. AT4AM was released as open source earlier this year." Ha en underbar DFRI dag! :-) //Erik

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Lag idag?
by 19x20 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

Hej listan! Jag är inte jurist och jag har inte läst alla de 439 sidorna men... det här kan inte vara i medborgarnas intresse och nytta menar jag: 27 kap. 16 § Den som i elektronisk form innehar en viss lagrad uppgift som skäligen kan antas ha betydelse för utredningen om ett brott får föreläggas att bevara uppgiften. I föreläggandet ska anges under hur lå ng tid uppgiften ska bevaras. Tiden får inte bestämmas längre än nödvändigt och får inte överstiga 90 dagar. Om det finns särskilda skäl får tiden för be varande förlängas med högst 30 dagar. Föreläggande får inte riktas mot den som skäligen kan misstänkas för brottet eller någon honom eller henne sådan närs tående person som avses i 36 kap. 3 §. "Första stycket innebär att den som i elektronisk form innehar en viss lagrad uppgift som skäligen kan antas ha betydelse för utred- ningen om ett brott får föreläggas att bevara uppgiften. De elek- troniska uppgifter som ett föreläggande kan avse kan vara av vilket slag som helst." s329 16 a § Föreläggande enligt 16 § beslutas av undersökningsledaren eller åklagaren. Om det är möjligt ska föreläggandet ges skriftligt. I annat fall ska den före- lagde så snart som möjligt få ett skriftligt bevis om beslutet. Meddelande om åtgärden får inte obeh örigen föras vidare. Föreläggandet ska innehålla en unde rrättelse om detta. Den som ålagts föreläggandet får be gära rättens prövning av förelägg- andet. För rättens prövning gäller i tillämpliga delar vad som sägs i 6 § s332 Mycket text men: "De elektroniska uppgifter som ett föreläggande kan avse kan vara av vilket slag som helst." Tål att tänkas på tycker jag. Sist undrar jag varför man inte anställer någon med någon som helst teknisk kompetens i ett sådant viktigt ärende? Eller är det så det går till alltid, infrastruktur, kärnkraft, försvar etc.? /19x20 PS. Orkar inte ordna min klipp och klistra text från: http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/21/81/01/a83091f6.pdf -- DFRI-listan är öppen för alla. Listan arkiveras och publiceras öppet på internet. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.dfri

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CryptoParty okt/nov - hjälp oss hitta lokaler! :) #DFRI #Sparvnästet
by Linda Sandberg 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Hej listan! DFRI och Sparvnästet planerar köra ett till CryptoParty, innehåll tror vi att vi enkelt med er hjälp kan fylla på med. Men vi behöver en lokal/datum för att kunna börja hårdplanera. Så hitåt med era tips på lokaler och kontakter! Hjälp gärna till och fråga de ni känner med och meddela. Kanske arbetar ni på ett ställe där man gärna skulle vilja vara samarrangör för ett CryptoParty? Ni kan visa det här blogginlägget som TorProject skrev om det sist ifall man vill veta mer - https://blog.torproject.org/blog/cryptoparty-stockholm Det vore bra om lokalen tog minst 70 personer, finns det två salar vore det grymt. Det är dock inget krav. Förutom detta måste vi ha nät och kunna presentera saker (projektor). Gärna en av lördagarna 26 okt, 2 nov, 9 nov eller 16 nov - men vi är öppna för alla förslag! //Linda, DFRI

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Fwd: [hub] Complaint against European Parliament over secret legal advice
by Erik Josefsson 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Det är så här en slipsten ska dras! Ante is back!! :-) //Erik -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [hub] Complaint against European Parliament over secret legal advice Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:56:45 +0200 From: Ante Wessels <ante(a)ffii.org> To: hub(a)icg.greens-efa.eu Complaint against European Parliament over secret legal advice http://acta.ffii.org/?p=1948 with links September 23, 2013 By Ante The European Parliament decided to keep the opinions of its legal service on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) secret. I just filed a complaint with the ombudsman against the parliament over this. I argue that the decisions to keep the documents secret were acts of maladministration and a violation of the human right to participate, enshrined in the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political rights (ICCPR). ACTA is dead in Europe, this complaint is about access to documents – essential for civil society work. In 2011 two parliamentary committees asked the parliament’s legal service an opinion on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. The legal affairs committee decided to release the opinions to the public. The parliament’s vice-president responsible for access to documents overturned this decision. The FFII filed an access to documents request but received almost completely blacked out documents. (Blog post with image) EU regulation 1049/2001 on access to documents The EU’s regulation on access to documents has a set of exceptions to openness that have to be balanced with the public interest in disclosure. Examples are the protection of legal advice and the protection of the ongoing decision-making process. The parliament raised both exceptions. In my complaint I provide counter-arguments and an overriding public interest in disclosure. But the regulation on access to documents also has a set of exceptions to openness – with a broad discretion for the institutions – that do not have to be balanced with the public interest in disclosure. An example is the protection of the public interest as regards international relations. If publication of documents may undermine this interest, the institutions do not have to balance this interest with the public interest in disclosure. Just a minimal undermining of the public interest as regards international relations, and secrecy is allowed, however big the public interest in disclosure may be. This is the reason that all requests for the ACTA negotiation documents failed (FFII, In ‘t Veld, EDRi). Also in this case the parliament raised this exception that has such a devastating effect on openness. To counter this, I use two approaches: brute force and human rights. Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties The parliament argued, based on Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT), that the EU was under certain obligations concerning due and successful ratification of ACTA and that disclosure of the legal service’s opinions could undermine successful ratification in third countries, and thus harm the protection of the public interest as regards international relations. In the complaint I argue that the parliament’s interpretation of the VCLT is not conform the VCLT text, the history of the VCLT or earlier interpretations of the VCLT. The Parliament erred in law. I conclude that disclosure of the legal service’s opinions is not in conflict with the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties or ACTA’s final provisions. There were of course no certain obligations concerning due and successful ratification – the parliament itself rejected ACTA later on. This is the complaint’s core argument. Human rights In addition I argue that EU regulation 1049/2001 on access to documents has to be interpreted in a way that is compatible with the EU’s human rights obligations. I argue that the right to participate is a human right, enshrined in the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political rights. Limitations on the human right to participate are possible, but they have to be necessary in a democratic society and proportionate. Regulation 1049/2001 may give the institutions a broad discretion, the ICCPR and ICESCR have a stricter test. The parliament’s decisions fail this stricter test. _______________________________________________ hub(a)icg.greens-efa.eu is a mailing list run by the Internet Core Group of the Greens/EFA (http://icg.greens-efa.eu) Policy for the list reads as follows: * the list is open but new subscribers must be approved by a list member * please feel free to forward and share mails from the list * messages from non-members are moderated and may be rejected * the list is indexed and archived at http://icg.greens-efa.eu/pipermail/hub/ List administrator is Jonatan Walck at hub-owner(a)icg.greens-efa.eu

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